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[HWK]the swedish chef · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:23 am Post subject: der untergang

well, ive recently saw "Der Untergang". My god, that was the best movie in times. It is soooo realistic, and i even felt almost sorry for the man (although i'm not a racist).
The scene where frau Goebbels killed her children was very touching. Everyone in the cinema was quiet, and no sounds was heard for a long time. I don't know yet how much oscars i won, but i hope a few, 'cause the film is worth it.
Oh no, i forgot. Oscars are for american movies. Rolling Eyes

Well then I hope it won the oscar for "best foreign movie".
But i don't understand that the movie got critics, like that Hitler was to human in the movie. Thats strabge 'cause Hitler was a men.
Anyway. I hope many of you will find the way and see the movie to, 'cause if you haven't, shame on you!!!! Smile

Greetz,
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[HWK]Theosis · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:04 am Post subject:

I saw one time a documentary about frau Goebbels and her children. It was haunting what she did to them although she also adored them. It was very sad to me and also was sheer madness.

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Sharpe · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:18 am Post subject:

"But i don't understand that the movie got critics, like that Hitler was to human in the movie. Thats strabge 'cause Hitler was a men. "

personally i dont think you really are human if you can order the deaths of millions out of hatetred like he did. What he did was utterly inhumane. When he created those concentration camps and gas chambers i think he effectively left the realm of humanity
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[HWK]the swedish chef · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:

I have to reply on that. Yes, Hitler ordered the extermination of 6 million jews, but the concentrationcamps were an English invention, and the gaz chambers was an idea of Himmler, and he didn't told Hitler a lot about the extermination. Some even says that Hitler didn't knew about it. Besides, in the first years of Hitler regimes fled a lot of jews to foreign country's with the help of Hitler, but not much country's were willing to welcome them.
And Hitler had a very complicated personnality. For instance, he was a vegetarian, and against abuse of animals in science. He was also an non - alcoholic and non - smoking person.
And Hitler is the well known dictator and the horrible things, but there are others. Stalin, Jean Baptiste Bocassa, Mobutu, Idi Amin Dada, all of them has the death of millions on their hands, and it seems that a lot of people didn't konw them, or never speak about it.
But off course this text isn't a text to glorify the acts of Hitler, 'cause he did horrible things, but to show that Hitler was as human as evrybody else.

Greetz, and excuse me for the bad english Smile

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[HWK]the swedish chef · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:12 am Post subject:

Amen
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[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject:

yeah , I was about to say I am sure Hitler didn't organise the gas chambers because I saw part of the recent documenataries which highlighted the 60th anniversary of Auschwitz. That was covering the details about the staff members ( Himler and Co. ) who came up with the ideas for the gas chambers and then they extended their original use and how they eventually came to be used to their fullest extent in the concentration camps. Sad

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[HWK]SirWilliam · Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 262

Hi

Well after gassing all those jews, children and all, making lampshades with their skin and performing horrific medical experiments, the genocide still goes on today. I'm so pleased I was born in a democratic country and not living in terror of an evil dicatator.

Yours SW
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The Countess · Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 131 Location: Stockholm, Sweden

I saw Der Untergang a few days ago in a "pre-view" before the real premiere. It was very moving to see how realistic Bruno Ganz acted Hitler. Europes most loved actor playing the most hated man. That was the best male-actor performance I ever seen I must say. Yes, the most touching scene is when Frau Goebbles kills her children. It was very hard to see, the whole cinema was dark and silent.
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[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject:

Yes Hipo agreed that not only Jews where exterminated or the sole victims of genocide, though nobody ( as far as I believe ) has actually said they where the only victims..

Just looking for some basic figures on all of the deaths during WWII and I found the following which are quite rough figures from 1937-45.

The Axis Powers contributed by :
Germany
Italy
Japan
Rumania
Bulgaria
Hungary
Finland

Approx. 6,250,000 military personell killed or missing.
Approx. 5,200,000 military personell wounded ( no figures for Italy, Japan or Bulgaria )
Approx. 3,100,000 civilian deaths.

The Allied forces contributed by ;
China
POland
Uk
France
Australia
India
New Zealand
South Africa
Canada
Denmark
Norway
Belgium
Hollland
Greece
Yugoslavia
U.S.S.R
U.S.A

Approx. 11,700,000 military personell killed or missing ( 9.000.000 were Russians. )
Approx. 21,100,000 military personell wounded ( 18,000,000 were Russians. )
Approx. civilian deaths as follows;
China 9.000,000
Poland 2,500,000
Yugoslavia 1,300,000
U.S.S.R 19,000,000
Other combined losses approx. 1,100,000
Approx, 33,000,000 lost in total for civilians.

So in total approx. 55,000,000 lives were lost or unaccounted for and a further 26,300,000 people were injured. That's the first time I have seriously looked into the total figure which it cost the human race........and all because of one man ( and a small band of followers ) and their simlpistic ideology.
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[HWK]SirWilliam · Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 262

So

Why did Frau Goebels kill her children, was she told that the allies were going to eat them. I mean come on, even if my country was going to loose a war and be occupied by another country, I would still not kill my kids in a million years, that was a dumb thing to do.

Yours SW
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[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:

I have no clear idea why she did actually kill her children but a possibility could be she was so brain-washed she believed that the allies ( more realistically the USSR ) would make political examples of them, torture them, separate them.
She must have feared the consequences so much either from her own thoughts or through the nazi propagandist ideals which she had come to understand and believe so much. ??
She possibly feared that her children would be treated the same way as the nazi's had treated so many other children and preferred to end their lives her way the best she could.
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