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THE DRAKE · Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 109

Naye my friend, glad to hear from you on this topic. Visit and discuss with us as much as you like, we welcome you.

On your points, I think I agree with all of it. I rather like having the artillery weak, vulnerable and capturable.

So, what do you do with cannon that can be easily destroyed?...you put them towards the back. Is that realistic? Yes.

What do you do with cannon that can be captured? You gaurd them. Is that realistic? Yes.

This new way of looking at cannon will be hard for us set in the old, rock solid, panzer tank cannon of the old days. But guys, these newest tweeks by GEXOZOID are definentaly a step in the historical right direction.
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de Burca · Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 70 Location: Austin,Texas

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[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject:

well Drake you pipped me to the post, as I was about to say pretty much what you have said aleady.

Yes Daddio, there's never a problem with anyone posting to our topics here on the forum, aslong as they keep it clean !!

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[HWK]GiNg3RfiSh · Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 274 Location: -=[England]=-

Sharpe · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:49 am Post subject:

captureable asrtillery is unrealistic when 1 guy can capture a battery..............................................
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THE DRAKE · Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 109

.......................he receives a medal of honor and a crate of vodka while the opposing commander receives wharehouse duty in Siberia for leaving his cannons with not so much as ONE measly fusilier to gaurd them! (there, I finished your sentance for ya

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I think there are valid arguments on both sides of this debate as to the strength of artillery. The problem is the game only has one type of artillery when historically there were many different varieties. Its unrealistic for the heavy pounders to be pushed across the field to pump grape shot into a defensive square instead there was the more flexible types of horse artillery that were sent forward to support an attack. It will prob be too dificult to replicate this in the mod so need a comprimise. make them capturable (just like cossacks) bt give roundshot longer range so they can be positioned safely behind lines, and make grape less powerful by bout half maybe cause it is too strong.

HWKBud · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject:

Napoleonic Artillery.
Howitzers where use mainly for long range work firing there exploding shells, 50% accuracy at 1000 paces hitting a target 25 paces by 50 paces, cannon firing ball and cannister where used at shorter ranges than howitzers.
If a gun had to be abondoned or was to be captured the gun crew where trained to spike there own guns and lite a fuse to blow up there amunition cart rather than fall into enemy hands.
Any field gun could be manned by a crew of 6 and by 5 if weighed less than 300lbs if high rates of fire where required it was necassary to double up the men required to man the gun.
For example the French 4pdr had a crew of 8, 8pdr 11 and 12pdr 15men,
movement of foot artillery was done by attaching leather bandoliers to the men and using ropes the gun was dragged or pulled for every 100lb of gun weight one man was allocated the French 12 pdr weighed 1800lbs so 18 men, but over soft ground and over 1000 paces across the amount of men was doubled to move the cannon. So once a gun was in position it did not move too far, horse artillery filled in the gaps and exploited breaks.
So my conclusion to the debate re Artillery is to make Cannon slower to move across the battlefield, NON CAPTURABLE as it is in Fight Back and to lower the massive caualties grape can cause.
I have taken these brief points from a book I own by an Author called Otto Von Pivka he has all sorts of charts for musketry/artillery ranges and accuracy troop movement etc all the boring stuff lots of people do not read about Napoleonic warfare.
In the American Civil war Artillery was pushed further back due to the increasing accuracy and range of the rifled musket, artillery gun crews would have been shot,so you cannot compare the American Civil war with Napoleonics toward the end of the American civil war it was closer to trench warfare of the first world war period.
Bud
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[HWK]GiNg3RfiSh · Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 274 Location: -=[England]=-

nice info, i think it is a must to make the grape less damaging to the troops.

p.s like the way u did the howlizer gex. also nice to see that u go the shot to go up!like in cossacks..u copy the script? also love the sound of them 2
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[HWK]GeXozoid · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 222

Nah bucanier made that...! (the shot and all)

@sharpe there are 4 crew members at the cannon about the others you are talking about wich served it and defended it well take 11 fusileres place it to guard around the cannon and there you got 15 crew members and 1 uhlan wont capture it unless he is full of vodka

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[117]Daddio · Guest

Or unless the crew is "playing the cards"!!

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[HWK]Greenwarrior · Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 196 Location: New Jersey

haa haaaaaaa! nice!

or playing cards and drinking vodka... ahh teh possibilities r endless! lol

Greeny!
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[HWK]Krazee · Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 31

No wonder the cannon exploded sometimes..the crew were drunk and put their vodka into the cannon instead of the the round/grape/canister shot!
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de Burca · Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 70 Location: Austin,Texas