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Kosciuszko · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 63 Location: Poland

HEllo all
I want to start new topic about forgotten battles in history .... Maybe u know some importand battles which are not specially very known.
My inspiration to start it - was the story of Stephan the Great - king ( or duke ) of Moldavia ( HAWK Emperor was writing about him - on forum Literature and Movie ). The battle of Vaslui 1475, between Moldavia and the Ottoman Turks is really forgotten , hawever it was first really great victory against Ottomans. The history of battle is really exciting - and all who are intresting history should know it. Moldavian army was small - maybe 40.000 soldiers - mainly poor armed peasants against 100.000 welll armed, experienced Turks. They expected easy victory and get really bloody bath.
Ottoman chroniclers do say that the majority of the army was killed and that it was the worst defeat ever suffered by a Turkish army. All this happend during battle of Vaslui - where Stpephan the Great shows that he was military genius.
Here is small description of battle
https://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/matthaywood/main/Moldavia.htm#The_battle_of_Vaslui
Hawever no maps and no moore detailed info..
From second hand - this battle was very importand - but not only thats Moldavian stopped Ottomans ( Generally ottomans captured this country later ) Battle has moral matter too - it was first Christians victory in europe over turkish army ( that time very modern army ) and shows that its possible to defead them.
OK
Hope so this topic could have some education value so be free to post as many info about another forgotten battles as u can.
regards
kosc
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Emperor · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 104 Location: ROMANIA

well you are right and a bit wrong too most of the army consisited of peasants but 10.000 or 15.000 were spearmen or cavalry and about capturing Moldavia...INCORRECT m8y the turks lost and a year after The great MEHMET the 2nd attack us and we had to retreat after the battle at RAZBOIENI or The WHITE VALLEY(becuz of the big number of bones that were from the dead).Altho it was a hard battle and quite undecided Moldavia lost VERY much men and had to retreat and burn all.Mehmet not having how to feed men and horses had to retreat.In his retreat he was being harassed by moldavian armies.In the end many ottomans died again and Moldavia was still free for more years to come...still in rest what u said was right and nice

[HWK]GeXozoid · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 253

Well i could tell you tens of stories about my people figthing the turks, and all of them were very important cause if we didnt fight them well the whole europe would be turk right now, cause in that time europe was fighting amongst each other so we were practicly the only defense, even the pope called croatia the christian europe fortification or sometin like that, soo i could tell you the stories about how less than a thousand troops held back the turkish army of more than 10,000 troops for more than 40 days and than when they figured out that all is lost went on a magnifisant charge and of course died, so no ofence to the USA but they had one ALAMO and they are talking 24/7 about it and made it like it was the gratest battle of all time, but i can tell you many heroic things my people did and wich are bigger than alamo was ten times, it is not that i am trying to make the alamo worthless, but i am just saying that there were ten times more important, and bigger maybe even more heroic battles on my countries ground, but no one knows about them except us just cause we arent the americans...! BUt i went a bit offtopic here so i will just say that this topic is a great idea.... will be posting something realy soon!
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Kosciuszko · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 63 Location: Poland

Hey GEx - i didnt know u are from Croatia !
Hope so soon u will write some intresting info about some battles. Trully there is so many reason thats history of some nation is less known than others. Last time i was looking for hussities battles ( Czech heretics from 14-15 C ) They develop new kind of art of war - as first started to use war wagons - armored with cannons and muskiets.. They won many battles against Imperial army and many against Crusaders. They were quite famous in Medieval time ( Even Joanna D Arc was trying to organise Crusade against them ) I was even learning about them in school so they are no so forgotten. Hawever its not easy to find something on internet. One Museum in Prague - has own website in english but only few infortmation u can find there about hussitties army. I was trying to find some Czech webpage - typing many czech words in Google - no resoults.. any maps, any pictures ....Internet is great thing created by amateurs, laymans and lovers and now they are resposibility for destribution their knowlegde. Without it - many things would be forgotten.

I can explain u it on one example. I dont know haw many books was writen about Swedish army in XVII C - maybe 100000 in Sweden and maybe 10000 abroad. So what ? I dont have anyone and rather dont have chance to ready any ( i dont know swedish langauage, i dont have time to search few translated book ) Hawever for long time, for me it was only one source of information about this subiect - it was one swedish history lover website - writen in enlglish -and called BATTLES FROM SWEDISH HISTORY.
https://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/BATTLEINTRO.htm
This site created by some anonymous history lover - has proboblly bigger education value than 10000 books written by swedish historicalls.
regards
kosc
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claudius · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 2 Location: Oshawa, Ontario

Great topic idea. Thankyou Drake for realizing that my name sake was in fact an historical writer... which is why I admire him (not for the insanity of marrying a woman who he knew had already murdered a previous husband and then for appointing her son, Nero as his successor, rather than his own son, Britannicus)

I don't have anything to add at this point about forgotten battles, except maybe Crysler's farm in which 3700 Americans faced 1200 British, because it ended all real hope for the Americans of winning the war of 1812 (after which they merely wanted to restore their pride (which they did at Chippawa and Lundy's Lane, in 1814) and ensure not losing (which they succeeded in doing at Platsburg and Ft. McHenry in 1814).

Its forgotten relatively speaking -- most Canadians and Americans have never heard of it. And its important because if the American had defeated the small Canadian force, Canada would be open for the taking.

If you are interested. There is a re-enactment of Crysler farm this weekend in East Ontario. Speaking of re-enactments. I had a good weekend... I died twice as a Canadian fighting for the British (as the Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada) in a tactical demonstration at Lundy's Lane this Saturday. They finally allowed me to shoot a musket in line and I was able to keep up with my fellow IMUCers most of the time. We were orginally going to conduct an accurate re-enactment of Lundy's Lane, but due to various problems the officers and administrators of the event changed it to a tactical battle (not specifically Lundy's Lane). And then on Saturday, I played an American in the battle of Chippawa on the actual field on which the battle was fought.

Claudius

jib · Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 58 Location: Somerset, England

I know of a few 'forgotten' battles, mostly british, but still worth a look.
My old favorite is the battle of sedgmoor in 1685, I wont go into the long politics, but I'll set the sceen: west country england- cider(

)flows like water, a flat flood plain which is always wet is the battle ground and a local accent you could sharpen a sword on. On one side monmouth has around 3000 local volunteers mostly armed with a few matchlock muskets and a multitude of farm tools. On the goverment (redcoat!) side around 2000 troops armed with flintlocks and a few pikes. Monmouth knew he couldn't win a conventional battle so he planned to attack the goverment camp at night. The rebels came close to the camp, but the alarm was raised and the redcoats managed to form up and in the pitch black and fight. One of the goverment officers, churchill (relative to the churchill) moved the cannons and fired grape into the rebels. Finally as morning broke the cavalry charged and finished up what was left. Not surprisingly Monmouth had fled.
I've tried to create this battle on FB, but I've come to the conclusion its impossible to create a night battle.
Its a shame the troops cant have an alcohole bonus to go with moral.
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[HWK]GeXozoid · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 253

Well this aint that much of on topic post, but i was doing some research for my mod, soo i could balance up the austrian and french troops before i relese the beta and i came up on this and boy am i proud

[HWK]Theosis · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Maryland, USA

[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject:

"Bloody Daft Apeth!!"

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claudius · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 2 Location: Oshawa, Ontario

I'm back from my traitorous weekend exploits, back pretending to be a loyal Canadian even though my group of re-enacters of the Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada turned, on mass to the American side, and fought, for the Americans at Chippawa on July 4th.

I can't figure out how to import images into this forum so heres a link. look at the pictures entitled the Incorporated Militia of Upper Conneticut.... I'm the (fat) guy in the big straw hat near the right end of the line.

https://www.imuc.org/photos/lundyschip2004.htm

heres a specific photo

https://www.imuc.org/photos/pictures/lundys/imuc2311.jpg

Heres a few little observations from my recent experience in re-enactments.

1) as weapons flintlocks they really suck... you're lucky if you can get 10 rounds off before the damn thing stops firing. By the end of the battle only about 20% of us were still firing, the rest of us. I had to use my finger nails to attempt to clean the pan about ever 2 shots. Apparently deaths in the re-enactments are determined by who can no longer fire their musket. One guys flints chipped off so much down to nothing. I'd really like to see those little sprites on the screen, leave the line, boil a pot of water, pour it down the mussle, swish it out and then get back into line (a field cleaning), he he.

2) I love the smell of sulphur in the afternoon, its smells like victory, or a good excuse to get some beer.

3) I prefered fighting on the American side -- less marching, and less standing around in line doing nothing... none of that, fix, bayonettes, present arms to salute, unfix bayonets, etc. fewer commands. no delays between orders, just shoulder arms, no counting off time to synchronize the movements, and we got to aim!!!! not merely present as we do when we're Canadians

4) Next time someone talks about guns, just for fun, say, guns have wheels. He He.

Nigel

[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject:

HI there Claudius,

Glad to see you have eventually been drafted for "military service" and having much fun!!

Nice pictures on the website, looks like great fun, even though I may personally prefer a good hard fought battle at close quarters using real ammunition ( well paintballs infact ) where you soon find out you've shot somebody at long range straight in their face ( hehehee ).

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[HWK]SittingBull · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject:

Shall I start talking of how the flemish have beaten all those french armies? like in the battle of the golden spurs (Kortrijk/Courtray), when the flemish militia army overwhelmingly defeated and butchered a french army? (this was years ago yesterday (7th of July))
The french could onlmy beat us when we were under Austrian rules, stupid austrians (they were only bad in arms not really in governing)

Ask if you wanna know these stories! lol
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Serbian_Wolf · Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 3

Hi people, im new here but i hope to be a hawk one day.

Anyway the Soviet-Polish war has been largely forgotten even thou it must be one of the most important, if the war had turned out different the Red army would simply continue its triumphant march past Warsaw and on to Berlin, pherhaps sparking revolutions in Germany, Austria, France or even Italy. Of of the most polpular Soviet marches in that war goes like this "we will march past Warsaw and on to Berlin"

[HWK]GeXozoid · Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Posts: 253

[HWK]axlethehawk · Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the hawks forum Serbian_Wolf

PLease tell us if you are playing Aow , Ac or Fb.

At least then we know which server/s we might find you on and maybe we can arrange a battle for you.

Look forward to seeing you on the field of glory soon m8.

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